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Aaaaaaaaaaah the laborer is worthy of his hire!

 

That I have completed my working life (happily  ) merely means that I helped pay for your education..

 

The accident of your birthdate is hardly cause for any particular praise for you.

 

Yes your opinion is valid, but there is no particular merit in it.

 

Repetition of ALP propoganda is no cue for applause.

 

May your day be at least as happy as mine! :Hug:

https://www.goethe.de/en/kul/ges/20773578.html

http://time.com/4504010/europe-politics-swing-right/


European Politics Are Swinging to the Right
 

https://www.quora.com/Is-Europes-politic...-to-events

Is Europe's political swing to the right cyclical or a reaction to events?

 

Hmmmmmmmmmm clearly any swing is a reaction to events!!!!

LOL!

One wryly notes there was no criticism of your age, race, sexual orientation or how blue your how-to-vote card is.

I didn't use your age to challenge your superiority and false assertions of my grip on reality.

That I work under the current IR legislation is the merit to my opinions on IR laws. What's your excuse?

The accident of my birthdate - as you naively put it - means I'm paying for your tax free superannuation.

My rebuffing of your repetitious Coalition propaganda is also free of charge!

Happily your empty praise and worthless applause is not required.

Try a little respect. It's free! :Hug:

"Have a nice day mate" < like this... see?

Quote:https://www.goethe.de/en/kul/ges/20773578.html
http://time.com/4504010/europe-politics-swing-right/
European Politics Are Swinging to the Right

 
https://www.quora.com/Is-Europes-politic...-to-events
Is Europe's political swing to the right cyclical or a reaction to events?



 

Hmmmmmmmmmm clearly any swing is a reaction to events!!!!

Right wing politics in Australia is crashing like the V8 supercars in Tassie on Sunday

"Red Flag! Red Flag!" LOL

 

11 seats wiped out

When you understand what "right wing" means one may discuss, until then ................

If we have an early election we can all find out what it is or what it's not

And the way this Govt has divided itself over using super for housing it might happen sooner rather than later.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-12/su...nt/8435980

Heh Heh back on the same old hobby horse

 

Enjoy

 

http://www.news.com.au/technology/enviro...bb74e62237

 

"Concerns over coal-laden water spill from Adani’s Abbot Point coal terminal near the Great Barrier Reef"

 

 

Heh Heh a cyclone Debbie goes through the place, and it's unforgiveable that the rainwater went into wetlands?

Just to help:

 

Conservative does not equal right, or rightwing.

 

The ALP is very much a conservative party today, it is interested in preserving the status quo particularly when matters related to it's major funding sources - the Union movement - are concerned.

 

That is a legitimate position to have.

It also must be recognised.

 

The ALP was not always a conservative party witness the significant changes made during the Keating years as treasurer and then PM.

Indeed we can see that as a "progressive party" the ALP actually moved to the right in a number of areas.

 

 

This can be confusing if one doesn't understand the meaning of right, left, conservative, and progressive.

 

Populism is a better descriptor of many of the  positions adopted by the ALP, One Nation, the Xenophon (any relation to the Xenophobes?)party and the like.

 

 

 https://www.forbes.com/sites/iese/2017/0...2c9ed51d44

<p style="font-size:21px;font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);">"Other key characteristics include:

<p style="font-size:21px;font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);">• Politics are based on emotion to generate a feeling of affective identification.

<p style="font-size:21px;font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);">• Intellectuals and experts are viewed with suspicion because of their ties with the elite. Their words are perceived as skewed and biased.

<p style="font-size:21px;font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);">• The idea that the general will should prevail. Since representative democracies use intermediate structures, such as representatives and political parties, the will of the people should be abided. Liberal institutions (the separation of powers, the neutrality of state institutions, the defense of political and media pluralism) are no longer useful.

 
<p style="font-size:21px;font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);">• Anyone who disagrees with the body politic should be spurned and, if necessary, intimidated. Those who try to stabilize political institutions will hinder the advancement of populism.

<p style="font-size:21px;font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);">• Actions are channeled through provocation and protest. It is argued that dialogue no longer makes sense since it is controlled by the elite.

<p style="font-size:21px;font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);">• Conflict reigns in populist strategies. The liberal democratic system has always tried to conceal conflict (either because of lack of interest, because they don't know how to tackle it or because it is not considered media-worthy). In populist movements, the reverse is true: now it is important to accentuate every conflict and wrap it up tightly in an emotionally charged bundle.

<p style="font-size:21px;font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);">• Populism is normally, though not always, triggered by a charismatic leader who articulates the collective anxieties of the people.

<p style="font-size:21px;font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);">• It is also important to note that while problems relating to ethnic minorities or immigrants are sometimes (but not always) relevant to populist movements, populism is not necessarily xenophobic."

<p style="font-size:21px;font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);"> 

<p style="font-size:21px;font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);">The first highlighted area above can be seen in the anti FWA position

<p style="font-size:21px;font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);">The second highlighted area is well exampled by the LBGT campaign against company directors that do not support their view.

<p style="font-size:21px;font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);"> 

<p style="font-size:21px;font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);">The last is exampled by the One Nation pronouncements pertaining to muslims.

Yes the ALP had moved to the right with neoliberalism under Keating and even further under Shorten.

But I wouldn't place them in a conservative arena. They adopted the "Third Way" position whilst the Coalition adopted the "New Right" position during the Fraser era and more so under the Howard era.

The Coalition today is socially conservative and Turnbull funnily enough now declares it as a center party of late.

There's little to distinguish between the two parties today but as we've seen over the last 10 years they appose each other for the sole purpose of populism. Populism is a descriptor of both major parties as evidenced by backflips when they go from opposition to Govt and vice versa.

IR laws are the only real separation between them these days.

Quote:Yes the ALP had moved to the right with neoliberalism under Keating and even further under Shorten.But I wouldn't place them in a conservative arena. They adopted the "Third Way" position whilst the Coalition adopted the "New Right" position during the Fraser era and more so under the Howard era.The Coalition today is socially conservative and Turnbull funnily enough now declares it as a center party of late.There's little to distinguish between the two parties today but as we've seen over the last 10 years they appose each other for the sole purpose of populism. Populism is a descriptor of both major parties as evidenced by backflips when they go from opposition to Govt and vice versa.IR laws are the only real separation between them these days.

Sigh,


Moving to the right is not necessarily becoming conservative!


For me, populism is the new babarianism.


It is emotional and it is not values based.


Integrity has no place in populism.


Ps:


Our press and broadcasters are populists of the lowest order.

"Moving to the right is not necessarily becoming conservative!"


 

I didn't say it was. But I agree with the rest of the post.

 

 

 

"Our press and broadcasters are populists of the lowest order."


 

Second lowest IMO. Social media takes the wooden spoon in that area.

 

It'll be interesting where both sides sit with the Adani coal railway proposal.

Wow two similar opinions

 

Not so far apart huh? :Hug:

Quote:Wow two similar opinions

 

Not so far apart huh? :Hug:

 

 

I take the point about "Social Media"  Maybe "antisocial media" would be a more accurate descriptor?

 

Anyway the increasing quoting of "Social Media" in the broadcasting and press outlets reinforces their populist credendentials.

 

Irony of ironies the weapon used by Trump to fight other poulists is itself populism go figure!

 

Is this another case of rising by the sword and perishing by the sword?

 

Populism dressed up as democracy is becoming the culture of the day, and in the longrun is a mighty enemy of Democracy.

Britain is having an early election

Another smart move - if successful - given the alltime low of support for the British Labour Party one might imagine that the move will be successful.

 

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion...7b54f90018

 

"THE Turnbull Government’s reforms to temporary migration are modest, sensible and just in the nick of time.

<p style="color:rgb(35,35,35);font-family:'Merriweather Sans', Georgia, serif;font-size:16px;">Have 457 visas been rorted? Almost certainly, as every system devised by man is rorted. But are they the reason so many Australians outside Sydney and Melbourne can’t get a job? Almost certainly not: there aren’t enough of them to make a difference.

<p style="color:rgb(35,35,35);font-family:'Merriweather Sans', Georgia, serif;font-size:16px;">Yet for months Bill Shorten — taking his cue from Pauline Hanson — has been running rings around the government on the issue and it has been driving them nuts.

<p style="color:rgb(35,35,35);font-family:'Merriweather Sans', Georgia, serif;font-size:16px;">Behold the hypocrisy, they say, of the man who handed out more 457s than anyone else as employment minister, campaigning against them; why it’s almost as bad as his about-turn on the independence of the Fair Work umpire in the wake of that hospitality penalty rate decision he didn’t like."

"Reforms to temporary migration are modest"... in other words, it's the same thing under a different name with the only real change being applicants requiring relevant work experience. Putting local workers first.


Speaking of beholding hypocrisy we all of course remember the Abbott Coalition in opposition voting against the ALP bill in 2013 to crack down on 457's to put local workers first


Is this the same Abbott who, after obstructing the senate for 4 years and calling for an early election now wants to decrease the power of the senate? Sometimes I think there are two Tony Abbott's out there.

Tony Abbott's criticisms of Government prompts calls for his resignation.


Long-serving Federal Liberal MP Warren Entsch has called on former prime minister Tony Abbott to quit Parliament if he cannot stop criticising the Government.


"He will either be remembered for his positive contributions in his term as a prime minister or I am fearful that he will eventually end up being remembered as a spoiler," Mr Entsch told the ABC.


The former prime minister continues to critique the Government's performance and now has two regular spots on Sydney's highest rating commercial talk station.


But Mr Entsch has reminded Mr Abbott that when he lost the leadership he promised he would not snipe.


"He was going to step down graciously, he was going to serve in the best interests of the country but he was not going to do a running commentary, he was not going to be critical," Mr Entsch said.


"Well it has been anything but that.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-18/ab...on/8448420


Agreed! Abbott really doesn't belong in a party with a platform of innovation. He belongs in one of invention.

 

He should really join the Cory Tory Party.

 

Odd really isn't it?

The Coalition parties become the party for Australian workers while the ALP becomes the party of rorting bosses.

 

More 457 visas during Mr Shortens tenure in the relevant portfolio than at any other time.

 

Go figure!!

 

As for Mr Abbott: he is irrelevant to the discussion. Clearly he has lost a great deal of respect by his Rudd style white anting.

 

Let's talk about action and leave the talk to the talkers.

Well given this discussion (in a thread about conservatives) originated about hypocrisy I think that makes Mr Abbott very relevant going off his record in opposition and prime minister, hence the article I posted.

 

As per post 527 It highlights how populism is the underlying point of the two major parties apposing each other and backflipping at the same time.

 

I'd give them credit for multitasking if only they could utilise these feminine skills for running the country as well.

 

Theresa May should win it easy. LOL

P.S. since we're talking about 457's I decided out of sheer boredom to scroll back to post #457...

 



 

Sorry Aloy. Didn't mean to shift you to the right. LOL