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Still have the landline equivalent. Just that it's line is plugged into the router instead of the old wall socket.

 

Just gotta work out what to do with all that free voltage I'm getting from the copper.

 

Maybe charge the mobiles? LOL

I am not quite sure why the Libs were not going along with Prime iister Rudds NBN. I mean I know they were in opposition but it always seemed to me logical that there was a bi partisan support. I didmy home wok n this and fibra is without doubt the very best option.. I could be wrong but [eople in business loved the NBN.

Turnbull came u with a pissy option , cheap and from all accounts a kind of Claytons NBN.

In time there may be a betteropion and thats great but for now lets get it right.

While we trying to find balance and accepting the Libs didand do at times get things ight.

Lets also be fair and praise the Labor party for the desalinationplant which s going to pay for iself and get us out of a mess in a few yers.

Quote:Happy to agree with you on that one

 

There is widespread rorting by unions with secret deals involving kickbacks as revealed by the commission.

 

There is also widespread wage theft by employers particularly in the area of unpaid overtime and underpaid super.

 

Any party or organisation that claims to serve the workers would be holding the above crimes to account equally.

 

 

Seems that nothing was ever said when, under an ALP government FWA reduced Sunday penalty rates twice from 200% to 175 and then 150%.

 

Now it would be really interesting to hear from the current "stop hurting the poor" protestors about this phenomenon.

 

Maybe these folks were not poor when they enjoyed their 200% penalty rates?

 

So they became poor under ALP governance and now have become worthy of sympathy.

 

Bloodie ABBOtt :LMAO:  :LMAO:  :LMAO:

The reason nothing was said is because it didn't happen.

 

How could penalty rates under the ALP go to 150% when the FWA just reduced them from 200% a month ago?

 

Are you saying that prior to this latest cut they went from 200% to 150% then back to 200% at some stage?

 

I don't think your phenomenon is accurate Aloy.  Penalty rates didn't get reduced under Labor.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2...source=rss

 

They were reduced to 175% in 2014 (for some casuals) and then to 150% this year, all under a Coalition Govt.




Meanwhile some common sense returns to politics for a change... Hanson ends Senate strike


Pauline Hanson has backflipped on weekend penalty rates, ruling out One Nation support for a pay cut to retail and hospitality workers.


The senator had previously backed the Fair Work Commission decision to cut Sunday penalty rates for some workers, insisting it would help small businesses.

But she's changed her mind after listening to voters, she said.


"People have been contacting my office - I've been listening to the people, listening to my electorate," she told 2GB on Monday.


"We have to support the workers out there and I will not support the penalty rates being cut. That's off the table."

 

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking...988a11cec5

 

So there you go. If even Pauline Hanson can wake up to reality it's about time others did as well.

 

Well Done Pauline Hanson. Listen to the voters.

 

As for Tony Abbott... haven't heard from him for a while. What happened, did he fall off the planet or something?

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You are not alone with reliability problems re NBN.

This poster has the opposite view.
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Obvious question has to be: did the NBN actually fail or was it a modem/router that needed a reboot? If the whole thing went down there would've been complaints galore.

 

It's a bit hard to believe a beam of light can just fail. But one thing I did learn is it doesn't work unless you crimp the terminator clip exactly to spec.

Maybe the line was eaten by a crocodile

Hinch changes tune on penalty rates

 


Crossbench senator Derryn Hinch has joined a growing revolt in support of penalty rates for low-paid workers.


One Nation leader Pauline Hanson on Monday reversed her position, saying she had listened to the public's anger over the Fair Work Commission's decision and would no longer support a cut in penalty rates for the retail and hospitality industries.

Senator Hinch told 3AW radio on Tuesday while he respected the commission's role as an independent umpire he was also having a "rethink".

"I do respect the Fair Work decision, but I'm starting to think I might be going to the third umpire here - the workers themselves," he said.

"I'm being flooded with specific cases of people who are going to do it tough."

 

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking...1679a5f2b7

 

Gotta love that free speech! Bloody Abbott! LOL

Good idea. Download those killer bites!

Xenophon backflip on penalty rates means bill to stop cuts will pass Senate

 

The Nick Xenophon Team will now support a bill to prevent penalty rate cuts, ensuring it will pass the Senate but likely still fail in the lower house due the government’s slim majority.


Labor has welcomed the political backflip and said the government is now isolated in opposing efforts to reverse penalty rate cuts.


On Tuesday Labor passed an urgency motion in the Senate condemning Malcolm Turnbull’s “lack of empathy for Australian workers who rely on penalty rates to make ends meet”.


The motion passed with the Greens, One Nation, NXT, Derryn Hinch and Jacqui Lambie’s support.


Nick Xenophon has confirmed to Guardian Australia he will now support the Labor, Greens and Lambie bill to block the current round of penalty rate cuts and prevent future cuts by the Fair Work Commission that reduce take-home pay.


In comments explaining the backflip in the Adelaide Advertiser, Xenophon said: “The bottom line is none of us want to see workers have their pay cut in an environment when there’s low wage growth and an increasing number of people are under wage stress.”


“I’ll own up to this being a backflip, or even somersault, because you can’t have individual workers being worse off.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-ne...ass-senate

 

People understand! Go Aussie oy oy

 

It's just the Libs that don't get it

You still don't get it do you, the decision was made by an independent statutory body, created policied and staffed by the ALP.

 

You and the grubby ALP are asking the government to interfere in that independence.

 

What would you say if they had increased the penalty rates by 50% and the government then interfered with the decision?

 

We know what the answer to that is, don't we?

 

So independence and separation of powers is an alien concept to you - heh heh where have I heard that b4? arty:  arty:

Quote:The decision was made by an independent statutory body, created policied and staffed by the ALP.
 
You and the grubby ALP are asking the government to interfere in that independence.

They already have. They interfered with the independence when the Abbott Govt created the policy in the first place.

 

Quote:What would you say if they had increased the penalty rates by 50% and the government then interfered with the decision?
 
We know what the answer to that is, don't we?

Yes. I would say bring it on. The retail workers who have just lost the 50% can get their money back.

Perfect solution. 

 

Quote:So independence and separation of powers is an alien concept to you - heh heh where have I heard that b4? arty: arty:

Fairness in the workplace is equally an alien concept to you and your grubby party.

So let's have an early election. Because being honest about IR laws is something you lot have a grudge against.

 

Quote:You still don't get it do you...

I'm still waiting for you to prove your earlier claim that penalty rates were reduced twice by the FWA under an ALP government.

Until then I'd say it's you that doesn't get it.

I don't believe your Abbott blame statement.

 

Prove it.

 

Until then .......................

I have already given you more proof than you deserve in another thread you are posting in.

 

I don't believe your penalty rates reduced under an ALP Govt statement.

 

Prove it

I don't recall your "proof"

 

Not everyone interprets "proof" the same way!!

I see.

 

Well given that you're almost ready to reveal your own proof of penalty rates being reduced under an ALP Govt I will be sure to give you an unbiased interpretation as opposed to a tabloid style response

 

LOL

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I note that you fail to comment on the proposition that the FWA's process and decision making should not be interfered with.

 

Given your ambivalence in this regard what value do we put in the FWA?

 

Do we now question all FWA decisions?

 

Or do we only question those that do not suit our political biases?

 

Either way the independence of FWA is being threatened and by it's very own true believers.

 

Ironic huh???

We have been arguing climte change for a long time. I still remain impressed ith the science but I agree that its going to be a very tough challenge.

As for penalty rates I know people that depend on them.

Agreed. I know plenty that rely on penalty rates. A double figure paycut is just another kick in the guts.


The thing is Aloy, penalty rates were NOT changed by the FWA under Labor. They WERE changed under Liberal.


That's a massive change of attitude from the FWA that said there's "no reason to change the current arrangements."

 

In that four year period two things happened.

 

This decision was 9 months late and their vice-president Graeme Watson left the commission citing FWA dysfunction.

 

What does that tell you? It tells me the ALP interfered with the decision the first time and the Coalition interfered with it the second time. Just by sheer coincidence both decisions happen to match the Govt's ideology.

 

Nothing else in 4 years has happened in Australia to justify such a large change of direction and cutting workers' pay to this extent. It's not as if unemployment has gone up or we're having a recession.

 

So... for the above reasons I question FWA's decisions. Anyone capable of independent thinking would do the same.

 

That's why 1 Nation, NXT, Bob Katter, Derryn Hinch, have all changed their minds after input from their constituents.

 

It's actually quite refreshing, to see parliamentarians and senators independently representing the public for a change.

 

It's not something offered by the major parties, hence their declining popularity.

Quote:zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Ok so you're asleep at the wheel
 
So amongst all the other IR phenomenons you dream of why haven't you formed one that says this was a secret deal by Bill Shorten and the FWA as leverage against the Govt?
 
You know Bill Shorten is capable of gaining from secret penalty rate deals. It's been done in the past.
 
You could even score half a point in that It could also explain Graeme Watson's assertion of FWA dysfunction.
 
Seems a bit more productive than simply refusing to prove your other allegations when they are challenged. LOL!