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Well you're getting "warmer" 
 
According to an April 30, 2012 New York Times article, "Dr. Lindzen accepts the elementary tenets of climate science. He agrees that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, calling people who dispute that point "nutty." He agrees that the level of it is rising because of human activity and that this should warm the climate." He also believes that decreasing tropical cirrus clouds in a warmer world will allow more longwave radiation to escape the atmosphere, counteracting the warming.Lindzen first published this "iris" theory in 2001, and offered more support in a 2009 paper
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Li...ate_change

Quote:Personally I would hesitate to use Tony Abbott as a scientific expert.

So did the people in his former electorate

CO2 - 0.038% of atmospheric gas 

 

"Dry air from Earth's <b>atmosphere</b> contains 78.08% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.04% carbon dioxide, and traces of hydrogen, helium, and other "noble" <b>gases</b> (by volume), but generally a variable amount of water vapor is also present, on average about 1% at sea level."    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere

 

 

Hello - it's the data not an opinion!

 

https://www.wur.nl/en/Publication-detail...3234353730

 

http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crop...00-077.htm

 

<p style="margin:1em 20px 1.5em .5em;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">The benefits of carbon dioxide supplementation on plant growth and production within the greenhouse environment have been well understood for many years.

<p style="margin:1em 20px 1.5em .5em;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Carbon dioxide (CO2) is an essential component of photosynthesis (also called carbon assimilation). Photosynthesis is a chemical process that uses light energy to convert CO2 and water into sugars in green plants. These sugars are then used for growth within the plant, through respiration. The difference between the rate of photosynthesis and the rate of respiration is the basis for dry-matter accumulation (growth) in the plant. In greenhouse production the aim of all growers is to increase dry-matter content and economically optimize crop yield. CO2 increases productivity through improved plant growth and vigour. Some ways in which productivity is increased by CO2 include earlier flowering, higher fruit yields, reduced bud abortion in roses, improved stem strength and flower size. Growers should regard CO2 as a nutrient.

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<p style="margin:1em 20px 1.5em .5em;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Let's hear it for CO2 - all vegans should rush out and burn stuff to increase the amount of plant nutrient on the planet.

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<p style="margin:1em 20px 1.5em .5em;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Rain forests would become more luxurient, Deserts would contract!

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<p style="margin:1em 20px 1.5em .5em;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Since the data says that increasing CO2 has not increased global temperatures we should forget the stupid model and feed the plants.

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<p style="margin:1em 20px 1.5em .5em;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">You know it makes sense!

Your plan has one major obstacle... rain



PS, It's good that you're citing Wikipedia for data - most conservatives think Wikipedia is a lunatic lefty outlet.

So well done

I merely cite wikipedia because it has some credibility among left leaning folks and that is my audience.

 

After all - it's better to speak french to french people!

 

As to rain - we do get rain - unfortunately the green left are totally opposed to conserving water and thereby mitigating our natural climate of Drought and floods.

 

The day that those folks finally lose their thread-thin credibility will be a good day for the actual real environment.

 

Their cries of "save the planet" are the bleatings of the deathwish do nothing folks.

 

Meanwhile the regular folks do want to save the planet by normal affordable stewardship. Often called common sense!

 

 

Climate change is real it always has been, it always will be - with or without the mindless bleatings of the loony left/green mob.

 

Unfortunately their policies and philosophies - marxism wrapped in a green blanket, has and is responsible for one the largest redistributions of wealth I'm aware of, via our steadily increasing power taxes.

 

 

But hey the kids will end up paying !!

 

 

Just to lighten up and "let it rain" - watch this and appreciate it

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcY3FH208l8

Nice post Aloy. Can't agree with all of it but you're right about the Greens doing more harm than good to the environment.

 

Their leverage of policy in hazard reduction says much about the current state of pollution due to out of control fires and the preventable loss of life and property.

 

So we both agree climate change is real and we can happily continue to exchange views on how best to deal with it.

 

As for rising power prices: no political party is blameless for this reverse tariff on our economy. Transitioning to a more sustainable form of domestic power generation has cost us at least 4 prime ministers and left us with nothing more than a fustercluck of policy chaos.

 

Politics aside: Banks will no longer sponsor the idea of digging up coal, transporting it, burning it, and disposing it.

 

Alternatives are there and working - the battery plant in SA seems to be working well.

 

As for making it rain.... well I take the view it comes down to <span>atmospheric water generators.</span>

 

<span>I generated 11 liters of water in the last 24 hours and whilst it wasn't drinkable it's still fit for farm stock.</span>

 

 

<span>Sadly, political impartiality means I don't speak French - but I do music - and Cult Rock is an international language </span>

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD5b_0QB0wI

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Here you go people...

 




https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-09/p...c/11778476

 

This is what would've happened 6 years ago if the Carbon Tax had not been scrapped for the sake of five minute populism.

 

I Don't Believe It

I Don't Believe That Either  

Quote:Here you go people...

 

<p class="bbc_center">Power prices forecast to slide in next three years, with increasing supplies of renewable energy a primary driver

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-09/p...c/11778476

 
This is what would've happened 6 years ago if the Carbon Tax had not been scrapped for the sake of five minute populism.

Oh yeah a "FORECAST" Forecast by whom, a forecastis usually based on some mindless model and by the time the forecast date arives it - the FORECast will have faded into obscurity in the same way that all the forecasts have.


Humbug!

Heu Aloy.

 

If you want to consider the Australian Energy Market Commissions' work as mindless that's your preoperative.

 

They base their model on the simple proven logic of supply and demand - a favourite conservative formula.

 

I remember copping similar flak about pumped hydro - the deniers got it wrong then, so I'll skip on this one, thanks.

 

Let's hear it for lower power prices... the real McCoy !

I Don't Believe It

Long may the subsidies continue to support coal power stations - even when they shut down LOL

 

I'm so pleased that renewable energy will lower my power prices in NSW

 

Victorian increases are state taxes - better get an extension lead and run it across the border

South Aus should be right with that battery upgrade.

Yeah

Fires rage and burn while Sydney, oblivious, parties on

 

 

https://www.smh.com.au/national/fires-ra...53ob6.html

Heh Heh Heh, out of the mouths of babes and sucklings!!!! :dance:

Yeah OK, fellas...

 

So how come these same fires didn't happen in the same places last year of the year before ?

 

The same fuel was there then.

Er... no.

 

Try quoting what I actually said instead of inventing what I said.

ffs yourself.

 

What I asked was why the fires didn't happen when the same fuel was there in previous years.

 

I did not say ""Leave the fuel cos it doan make any difference"

 

What did I mean? I meant what I said.

 

And what I said was these fires didn't happen last year or the year before even with the same fuel.

 

So something different happened this year. It was hotter and drier. Get it ?

 

That dropkick you quoted suggested we burn all the fuel to stop fires spreading

 

Hello? He wants us all to choke to death every single day in winter as well as summer ?

 

Tell him to blow up his own neighbourhood first  :Four:  :Four:  :Four: 

Ah..

 

Hypocrite

Hypocrite Peter

 

I do believe that "ffs" came from your keyboard first mate

 

Of course you can always do what you normally do - deny that you typed it