Political Backflips And The Like...

[treblid]

All I can say is, this is a new low for the PM and government.. And we all probably know, the bar will be set even lower next year.


And boo to Turnbull.. I see now the media is trying to spin and rephrase the issue into saying ABC has lots of fat, rather than a broken promise..

 

The problem is not ABCs' efficiency (or lack thereof), the problem is Tony Abbott is willing to say anything to get into parliament.. There are no excuses and I think government really need to be more truthful and frank with the people.. A dishonest person will eventually lead to a dishonest government.. ig:

[JSmith]

Hi JS.


Do we need an ABC in every capitol?

Apart from the need to keep the jobs.

 

Local content is best produced where it happens... otherwise local issues will start to not be covered.

 

JSmith 

[JSmith]

All I can say is, this is a new low for the PM and government.

 

Agreed... they made it very clear the ABC and SBS would not be subject to funding cuts. They lied... simple. All the rest of the discussion is simply political fanfare.

 

JSmith 

[treblid]

 

Local content is best produced where it happens... otherwise local issues will start to not be covered.

 

JSmith 

The worst to happen is to have people from other states trying to produce "local content".. They can't say some of the names right, and may even get some of the locations wrong...

 

Commercial networks used to do that back when I was watching 'em.. Really irritates the hell out of me coz it's news, and it's pretty sloppy...


I never thought a government owned media could hold it's own government to account before. But ABC gave me that confidence (somehow)... News is best on ABC and SBS.. Personally I fear the quality to drop, and I can't help but question if this government has any other ulterior motives... If ABC is weakened, there's really no good media to check against the government any more..


 

[JSmith]

 If ABC is weakened, there's really no good media to check against the government any more..

 

Bingo... this is the real motive behind it.

 

JSmith 

[treblid]

BTW being docked a mere $50 mil a year for 5 years is not going to stop the ABC's Liberal bashing, or stop the ABC from cuddling up to Labor.

I get that point. But you seem to miss mine, being docked a mere $50 mil just means Abbott lied his way to government

 

ABC may well be the next thing to be privatised after they flog off medicare. ig:  ig:  ig:

[JSmith]

 

<div>

You may want to keep every facet of the ABC and that's nice, but there is an awful lot of stuff I don't want to pay for.

</div>
 

I doubt you'd be paying much tax nowadays Peter?

 

JSmith 

[Aloysius]

1% per year is a cut?

 

Joking right? 

 

Regular companies survive on making a profit The ABC thrives at the expense of the public purse

[Aloysius]

All I can say is, this is a new low for the PM and government.. And we all probably know, the bar will be set even lower next year.


And boo to Turnbull.. I see now the media is trying to spin and rephrase the issue into saying ABC has lots of fat, rather than a broken promise..

 

The problem is not ABCs' efficiency (or lack thereof), the problem is Tony Abbott is willing to say anything to get into parliament.. There are no excuses and I think government really need to be more truthful and frank with the people.. A dishonest person will eventually lead to a dishonest government.. ig:

 

 

No no no the problem is that the ABC takes the taxpayers money and then spoils an otherwise excellent news service by tacking on pro ALP commentary.

 

It's unarguable and goes to the history of those the ABC put in positions of power.

 

This blatant bias means that less biased folks become incensed at the dishonesty and rank hypocrisy that is served up as commentary.

 

The Board is just not doing its job.

[JSmith]

This blatant bias means that less biased folks become incensed at the dishonesty and rank hypocrisy that is served up as commentary.

There is no "blatant" bias Aloy... that's just in the minds of you LNP voters.

 

You can't surely claim this and then turn around and say none of the commercial news operators are bias... oh no not at all! :laugh:

 

The fact is mate, Tony made a clear pre-election promise which is now being broken... this is an undeniable fact. All the rest of the discussion is rubbish...

 

JSmith 

[treblid]

No no no the problem is that the ABC takes the taxpayers money and then spoils an otherwise excellent news service by tacking on pro ALP commentary.

 

It's unarguable and goes to the history of those the ABC put in positions of power.

 

No no no the problem is Abbott lied. It's unarguable and set a new low for Australian governance...

[Aloysius]

No no no the problem is Abbott lied. It's unarguable and set a new low for Australian governance...

In your pro ALP opinion.


WTF?


1% is a cut?


Pardon me for laughing you demonstrate the self same bias that the ABC does.


Birds of a feather I guess.

[JSmith]

1% is a cut?

 

That's not a realistic way to think about it... the effect of the cuts is how to judge the harshness.

 

"Key points:
 
Federal Government cutting $254 million over five years from the ABC budget
 
More than 400 ABC staff - close to 10 per cent - could lose their jobs
 
Adelaide TV production studios to close
 
State-based 7.30 programs on Friday to be scrapped and replaced with national 7.30 program
 
Lateline moved to a new timeslot on ABC News 24
 
Foreign bureaux will be restructured to create "multiplatform hubs" in London, Washington, Jakarta and Beijing
 
The Auckland bureau will close down and a new Beirut post will be opened
 
Regional radio posts in Wagin, Morwell, Gladstone, Port Augusta and Nowra to close
 
ABC Local, Radio National and ABC Classic FM programming changed, with programs including Bush Telegraph scrapped
 
State-based local sports coverage scrapped
 
New regional division and ABC Digital Network, to begin in mid-2015, and a $20 million digital investment fund"
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-24/ma...ts/5913082
 
JSmith 

[treblid]

In your pro ALP opinion.

I'm not pro anything.. If anything I'm anti-union. I find them go too far to protect worker rights sometimes (the militaristic ones that is).

ALP of today is pretty right wing. I'm more left wing so I wouldn't say I'm pro ALP.

He lied. Either deliberating or he has no idea. It doesn't matter, the bar is set.

WTF?

1% is a cut?

It's the significance of that 1%. Now that you're retired, how do you like the RBA to cut 1% of the cash rates? After all, in your definition that's not a cut!

Let's see how you like the 1% cut when the RBA do it.. China cut rates, Australia may soon follow. Thanks to this lying government, when they say Australia is "open for business", they actually mean they're closing it!

Pardon me for laughing you demonstrate the self same bias that the ABC does.

Birds of a feather I guess.

Hold on to that thought And pray to the powers that be you don't get your very own 1% cut .

People making redundant still have a slight chance of finding new work. Retirees are in a worse position. While we disagree on politics, I certainly don't want you to be affected by this government's bad policies. Their ideals will hit retirees far harder than the working population..

You'd may well be forced to take on higher risks in the golden age.. And if the FOFA rules did pass through, you'd be forced to make a lot of decisions too.

[treblid]

That's real nice to have, but a long way from necessary. As I said: The ABC SBS is bloated.

You're trying to spin away Abbott lied his way into the PMship. He said no cuts.. And he did a backflip.


I don't mind the ABC cuts on principal. No government division should get preferential treatment. After all, the ATO was cut pretty savagely. He even tried to spin it by saying the cuts are "efficiency dividends" . That's just american politics!  :notworthy: 


Think of the bigger issue, the PM can't be trusted on his words - don't believe a single word if it's not written in blood. 


Dishonesty should never be rewarded.


 

[treblid]

With respect BS!

I have now said on at least two occasions I hate what Abbott has done.

Err that makes three!

Apologies, I must be biased ...

 

This is just me ranting now. He's never to be trusted in the first place. He shouldn't be allowed to be PM any longer. 


He lied about the ABC, he lied about going ahead with double dissolution. He even lied about carbon tax (fuel excise is a carbon tax, oh wait it's just a re-indexation)... The pattern of behaviour is already very clear when he was in opposition.. 

 

So far he's demonstrated he's the kind of person who can talk what people wanted to hear, but can't deliver. And he's bringing down a lot of good future liberal leader candidates in his stinking/sinking ship. 


Sighz.

[POWERZONE]

^Agreed. Just as Kevin Rudd failed to take his ETS to a double dissolution so too has Abbott lacked the courage to fix his so called budget emergency the same way. So far the Government has over-promised and under-delivered which might seem like a bad thing until you look at just how unfair these policies are they are trying to prosecute.

Hopefully the next election will put an end to this silly state of affairs.

[treblid]

Just as Kevin Rudd failed to take his ETS to a double dissolution so too has Abbott lacked the courage to fix his so called budget emergency the same way.

...

Hopefully the next election will put an end to this silly state of affairs. 

Rudd is also one to talk but not deliver. I wonder if we'd see Abbott backed shoo'ed away like Rudd? Abbott must be worried now constantly hoping his colleagues don't tap him on the shoulder. 


Not sure if the next election will bring any change TBH. Labor still lacks a vision, and the vision the libs have for Australia is pretty darn grim. 

[POWERZONE]

If Abbott wants to avoid the tap on the shoulder he is going to have to show better leadership and reshuffle that front bench for starters. Joe Hockey is no treasurer and needs to go fast. Turnbull would do a better job IMO.

Labor wont show any "vision" until they have to. They are just waiting for the Government to self destruct. To be frank I'd be happy for Labor to take NO promises to the next election other than sensible Government that doesn't punish the population with failed austerity measures.

[treblid]

If Abbott wants to avoid the tap on the shoulder he is going to have to show better leadership and reshuffle that front bench for starters. Joe Hockey is no treasurer and needs to go fast. Turnbull would do a better job IMO.

Without Turnbull, I wonder would there be real NBN now?

Labor wont show any "vision" until they have to. They are just waiting for the Government to self destruct. To be frank I'd be happy for Labor to take NO promises to the next election other than sensible Government that doesn't punish the population with failed austerity measures.

The Abbott policies to save the budget is not really austerity measures done by the other countries (and apparently not working).. What they're doing is really to punish the poor, and reward the rich.. Labor should have a vision. A grand plan for Australia so to speak. Without that we really risk voting for one bad government to replace another one. Happy to wait closer to the election for Shorten to lay out his plans. As long as there's one.
 

The budget would be fixed by now without a hostile rabid Senate and within two years the books would be balanced.

The budget is not easily fixed. It can't because in a way there was no problem in the first place (if you ignore tax cuts given by the JWH back in the day). The budget problem is not from excessive spending, but from reduced revenues.

Balancing the books would be a lot harder without Rudd (who despite his many failures shielded us from the GFC).
The treasurer, the finance minister and the PM has no idea how to run the country. They only know how to cut, to sell profitable assets. Balancing the budget is just corporate speak. It's pointless if it weakens Australia.

Sure there are people who think that is unnecessary but presently we are paying, what, $1Bil a week or month in interest.

The government is tasked to run a country. Paying $1 billion in interest may not be a bad thing if it generates $X billions of economic activity.

Don't buy into the BS Abbott sprouted. It is true that government spending needs to be under control. Everything else really is just populism rhetoric.

That's where Greece and others went wrong.

Australia do not have Greece's problems.

Myrantz, Abbott did not have the guts for a double dissolution! Not many leaders do.
IMO if he did call one, by now we would not be discussion his other failures cos the Senate would his and the House of Reps would be his, easy! Alas . . .

If he did call one, I would have a bit more respect for him. And he may well still win office with a democratic mandate to implement his reforms.

Having not done much, he's not part of a new collation of the willing to wreak more havoc in the middle east. The only potentially good thing this government has done so far long term wise would be the free trade deals.. But time wil tell if that's good for Australia or not (I have no details of 'em)..