I Don't Believe It?

[POWERZONE]

I'll swap Bronwyn Bishop with Hillary Clinton any day

[POWERZONE]

I'll swap Bronwyn Bishop with..... who was it again?

[POWERZONE]

Yep, that's a deal :rundog:

[POWERZONE]

I think it's more likely he's caught in a conflict of interest.

I have no reason to believe he's anything less than honourable, but his appointment is still inappropriate.


BTW: Tomorrow, I'm buying a BEAR...

[POWERZONE]

When the markets crash you do two things....


First you buy a bear >
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Then you buy a Jeep  :dance:

[POWERZONE]

Another b-a-a-d day coming up fellas

 

Let's have an early election, a "bust" of Tony Abbott would be an amusing analogue of events

[POWERZONE]

I saw that Jeep fall off the road after a breach of it self drive control. I would never buy a car like that.

 

What happens to the self drive if some lane change loony cuts you off?

 

Does it just slow down and let the next loony in?

[Aloysius]

So anyway - I had a phone call tonite from ACTU President Ged Carney - a recorded message.

 

 

She advised me that our local Federal Member had not spoken out against the ChFTA.

 

She suggested that I contact him and complain about his failure.

 

Unfortunately you cannot respond to a recorded messsage.

 

 

And folks wonder why the Unions are slowly fading away - they don't support something that means jobs for Australians!!

 

Hello? 

[Aloysius]

Trade union membership plummets
ACTU Secretary Dave Oliver has played down official figures showing trade union membership in the private sector plummeted to 11 per cent last year.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national...127cf261ba

[Aloysius]

Voting with ones feet is the most definitive response.

[POWERZONE]

So if unemployment rises and/or our workforce is replaced with automation we can't blame the unions anymore ?

[Aloysius]

Correct eventually!

 

Your inference that unions are blamed for all unemployment or replacement is a tad extreme don't you think?

 

I do think the position taken by Ged Carney above is anti employment, however, and that if by some amazing stroke of bad luck her hopes are realised then there will be some Australian jobs that just don't get created.

 

Blame could then by rightly ascribed to the union hierarchy.

 

And not all unions either, the major support for this Carney push appears to come from the bovver boys in the CFMEU

[POWERZONE]

Correct eventually!

 

Your inference that unions are blamed for all unemployment or replacement is a tad extreme don't you think?

Not really.

 

Most Liberal party members and supporters blame unions for everything ranging from job losses to bad weather.

Tony Abbott erroneously blamed the Toyota pullout on unions..


Yes, that's extreme.


Reduction of membership (a claim disputed BTW) has far more to do with the increasing casualisation of the workforce than union "dissatisfaction".


It also has a lot to do with the gimme gimme generation of enjoying the benefits of union negotiated agreements without contributing to them.


An Essential Media survey says "62% of voters believe trade unions are important to working people" yet your link says only 11% want to pay for it.


Eventually this "something for nothing" mentality will bite the scabbers in the backside for the reasons stated in my previous post  ig:


I'm alright Jack!

[POWERZONE]

I'm surprised you got a phone call from Ged Carney unless you're a member in their books? :bee:

[petersj]

Not really.

 

Most Liberal party members and supporters blame unions for everything ranging from job losses to bad weather.

Tony Abbott erroneously blamed the Toyota pullout on unions..


Yes, that's extreme.


Reduction of membership (a claim disputed BTW) has far more to do with the increasing casualisation of the workforce than union "dissatisfaction".


It also has a lot to do with the gimme gimme generation of enjoying the benefits of union negotiated agreements without contributing to them.


An Essential Media survey says "62% of voters believe trade unions are important to working people" yet your link says only 11% want to pay for it.


Eventually this "something for nothing" mentality will bite the scabbers in the backside for the reasons stated in my previous post  ig:


I'm alright Jack!

 

 

 

OK I dont contribute much but your post is brilliant.

What I have always disliked are those people who slam unions but take all the benefits that I fought for as a proud union member.

Australia has a proud union history and t saddens me that people here are so disrespectful.

[Aloysius]

Yeah well the refusal to accept the data presented re union membership is ostrich stuff and not like you at all PZ

 

 

11% is exactly that - 11%

 

 

When unions were real and not vehicles for university educated folks on their way to becoming ALP hacks, when unions had ethics and morals, when unions were about protecting the membership and not about lining the pockets of their leaders you would be quite right and I would agree with you.

 

Sadly that just ain't the troof momma and it's being laid out in forum after forum, bury your heads in the sand if you feel more secure - secure is nice.

 

 

Like I say - voting with your feet says it all and you should not be called a scab if you do!!!

 

 

 

<p style="font-size:12.16px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);">Jeez, you’d have to really hate being a union rep right about now. Seemingly everywhere you look there are examples of how the union movement’s relevance is plummeting, while its questionable behaviour is ramping up. Just in case you haven’t noticed, here’s a selection: 

• The alleged involvement of bikie gangs and underworld figures with the CFMEU at Barangaroo.
  
• The fight between the AMWU and Toyota, which continues even though Holden and Ford have fled after facing similar battles.
  
• The negative influence unions have had on productivity and labour costs at Qantas.
  
• The finding that former union boss John Maitland is corrupt over the granting of coal licenses that made him millions.
  
• The prospect of a royal commission into the alleged corruption and criminal conduct of key players in several unions.
  
• And, of course, needing no explanation, the ongoing saga of Craig Thomson and his former buddy Michael Williamson at the HSU.
  

<p style="margin:0px 0px 0px 20px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:12.16px;font-family:inherit;"> 

<p style="margin:0px 0px 0px 20px;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:12.16px;font-family:inherit;">What makes this downfall tragic is that unions have historically been hugely successful at making this country great, significantly lifting the standard of workplaces across Australia. But that standard is now maintained by solid industrial relations legislation and intense competition for quality workers, the combination of which advantages employees irrespective of union involvement. Just because unions were useful in the past doesn’t mean they’re still useful today.

 

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/small-business/man...z3pr1nXiaP 

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Add Kathy Jackson.

 

 

The highlighted text is pretty much the point really.

[POWERZONE]

As previously stated "An Essential Media survey says "62% of voters believe trade unions are important to working people" yet your link says only 11% want to pay for it."

 

I don't know how that comment can be taken as not accepting the data?

 

 

The data suggests Australia is heading down the steep slope of stagnating incomes and worsening conditions in the workplace. The already sluggish economy will get worse when people aren't getting payrises anymore whilst everything is becoming more expensive so they stop buying non discretionary items.

 

Eventually there will be little or no union representation in the workplace. When that happens a future conservative Govt will reintroduce a workchoices style IR system where unemployment drops to around 1% and low income earners will be stuck on $400 a week for 6 days of work every week with zero job security before their positions become redundant and replaced with technology.

 

...all for their own good of course!

 

If the above is the criteria for the future law of the "land of the fair go" then this country will irreversibly turn to shi
t

[POWERZONE]

World's richest woman calls for Australians to take a pay cut because African workers are willing to earn just $2 a day

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...2-day.html


Of course we are meant to say this woman is good for Australia simply because she employs workers ig: ig: ig:


I don't believe it :ras:

[Aloysius]

As previously stated "An Essential Media survey says "62% of voters believe trade unions are important to working people" yet your link says only 11% want to pay for it."

 

I don't know how that comment can be taken as not accepting the data?

 

 

The data suggests Australia is heading down the steep slope of stagnating incomes and worsening conditions in the workplace. The already sluggish economy will get worse when people aren't getting payrises anymore whilst everything is becoming more expensive so they stop buying non discretionary items.

 

Eventually there will be little or no union representation in the workplace. When that happens a future conservative Govt will reintroduce a workchoices style IR system where unemployment drops to around 1% and low income earners will be stuck on $400 a week for 6 days of work every week with zero job security before their positions become redundant and replaced with technology.

 

...all for their own good of course!

 

If the above is the criteria for the future law of the "land of the fair go" then this country will irreversibly turn to shi
t

 

 

Do you have many bad dreams?

 

Do you understand that the law of the land has superseded almost all need for unions?

 

This made evident by the 11% membership!!!!!!!

 

That 62% of those polled believe that unions are a 'good thing' - who cares - clearly they are not in fact union members. Talk is cheap!

 

There have been no worsening of workplace conditions - name some!

 

If workers need corrupt and self serving union leaders to survive the problem must be a whole lot worse than it actually is.

 

11% - 11% - 11%

 

 

The other 89% can't all be stoopid - can they?

[petersj]

Of course once unions have gone employers can and will do as they like. I believe the day will come when people will regret the demise of our great unions.