I Don't Believe It?

[POWERZONE]

Do you have many bad dreams?
 
Do you understand that the law of the land has superseded almost all need for unions?
 
This made evident by the 11% membership!!!!!!!
 
That 62% of those polled believe that unions are a 'good thing' - who cares - clearly they are not in fact union members. Talk is cheap!

Precisely. They talk about the benefits but they don't want to pull their weight by contributing.

Thank you for agreeing with me.
 

There have been no worsening of workplace conditions - name some!

You're taking the pi
ss, right?

Payrises at record lows to the point of being non existent, lower sunday penalties for casuals covered by the Restaurant Industry Award. Redundancy laws have been wiped out, we had some staff with ancillary job functions that were no longer required and despite some of them having 20+ years of service they were given just 12 weeks of severance pay. No redundancy!

Do you realise there is no longer a redundancy package in the IR system? Chances are you don't because a lot of the above changes happened after you retired from the workforce with a good redundancy payout IIRC

So the vast majority of redundancy packages have to be negotiated into the EBA by your union, if you have one. If you don't, you're on your own.

[POWERZONE]

If workers need corrupt and self serving union leaders to survive the problem must be a whole lot worse than it actually is.

That's an assumption that all unions are corrupt and self serving. Given you've said in the past that's not actually the case we can both conclude your erroneous statement is an exaggeration. Do you have many bad dreams?


The NSW Liberal party are corrupt and self serving, they lost more seats to ICAC than to Labor.


Come to think of it the Victorian Liberal party has corruption issues hanging over their head. Do we need them too?

 

11% - 11% - 11%

That comes to around 8.7131%

 

The other 89% can't all be stoopid - can they?

A rhetorical question?

 

I respect the right of freedom of choice. I didn't call anyone stoopid. Selfish yes. Stoopid? No.

[POWERZONE]

Of course once unions have gone employers can and will do as they like. I believe the day will come when people will regret the demise of our great unions.

I completely agree. I think it's already starting to happen. Just look at the 7/11 case. Do people really think that would happen if unions were allowed to represent the employee? No way.


There are more cases akin to the 7/11 case coming to light where employees are being exploited :pacman: :pacman: :pacman:


Yet we have a law that bans unions from entering a workplace.


Go figure  <_< 

[petersj]

Motorhead theres some good news. he union I belong to is flourishing and memberships grown an strict union rules are in play.

The arts alliance formerly actors equity still fights hard for the arts workers actors etc.

I think the reason some of the folk here are so anti union is tat they are not working class. A status I am proud of.  

I think its pretty obvious they are bosses and have not employees.

[POWERZONE]

I'm pretty sure from past conversations I've had on here that we've all had humble beginnings in the workforce

 

But things have changed over the last few years and it's definitely not in favour of the worker - especially low paid workers.

 

Personally I think anti union views come largely from dealings with hard line unions such as CMFEU which is a union I wouldn't touch with a barge pole and they make the entire movement look worse they it really is.

 

I work 2 jobs and both of my unions are very moderate. We've only had one strike over the last ten years but it turned a 9% overall loss into a 4% gain for that particular agreement. it took 3 months to make it happen.

 

But at the same time they are many fellow co workers at my employment that won't join the union simply because they can't negotiate 7 or 8% payrises anymore.

 

So they take the view the union is useless for them whilst conveniently forgetting the 15% difference they're enjoying.

[petersj]

Thanks for the correct. It was clearly a presumption and a wrong one.

I think the teachers unions are also pretty secure..

[Aloysius]

Of course once unions have gone employers can and will do as they like. I believe the day will come when people will regret the demise of our great unions.

 

 

So if unions go the government will then remove all legislation related to employment?

 

That is the point - the law of Australia has taken the place of naked power plays between capital and labour - companies want security, workers want security - it's in their interest to avoid confrontational industrial action.

 

Please check on the decline of industrial disputation over time - get the data!!

 

 

You don't have to be non working class to see the negative effect of unions today.

 

My two grandfathers were underground coal miners, my father a fitter and turner and shop steward.

I have been a union member.

 

Happily I have also been encouraged to look beyond the words used by many union leaders and looked at what the actually do, what are their behaviours, do they rip off their membership, do the long for the days of the closed shop .........

 

 

When encourages ones fellow posters to look beyond the words

 

I'm pretty sure from past conversations I've had on here that we've all had humble beginnings in the workforce

 

But things have changed over the last few years and it's definitely not in favour of the worker - especially low paid workers.

 

Personally I think anti union views come largely from dealings with hard line unions such as CMFEU which is a union I wouldn't touch with a barge pole and they make the entire movement look worse they it really is.

 

I work 2 jobs and both of my unions are very moderate. We've only had one strike over the last ten years but it turned a 9% overall loss into a 4% gain for that particular agreement. it took 3 months to make it happen.

 

But at the same time they are many fellow co workers at my employment that won't join the union simply because they can't negotiate 7 or 8% payrises anymore.

 

So they take the view the union is useless for them whilst conveniently forgetting the 15% difference they're enjoying.

 

 

I agree with much of that - I have also hand a great deal of positive experience in dealing with non CFMEU construction union representative - enjoying an open and honest relationship with them.

 

The CFMEU is not to my mind the most amoral union.

 

That dishonour must fall to those union leaders who are in the almost compulsory Health workers Union  extorted union dues finds no trouble at all  making it's way into the pockets of the leadership.

 

And some people protect this abuse!

[Aloysius]

You have a secure and safe weekend PZ! :Hug:

[POWERZONE]

You too Aloy. Cheers!

[radioholic]

I wish winter would come back!      :kosa:

[Aloysius]

http://www.amusingplanet.com/2014/08/min...tents.html

 


Mina, The City of Tents
Mina is a small city located inside a low lying valley in the province of Makkh, in western Saudi Arabia, about 8 km to the east of the Holy city of Mecca. Inside the 20 square km valley, tents cover every open space, as far as the eye can see, neatly arranged, row after row. It is in these tents Hajj pilgrims stay overnight during the five days of each Haj season. For the rest of the year, Mina remains pretty much deserted.

<p style="color:rgb(30,30,30);font-family:'open sans', sans-serif;font-size:15px;">There are more than 100,000 air-conditioned tents in Mina providing temporary accommodation to 3 million pilgrims. The tents measure 8 meters by 8 meters and are constructed of fiberglass coated with Teflon in order to ensure high resistance to fire. Originally pilgrims brought their own tents which they would erect in the flat plains of Mina. After Hajj is over, the tents would be dismantled, everything packed and taken back. Then sometime in the 1990s, the Saudi government installed permanent cotton tents relieving pilgrims of the burden of having to carry their own camping equipment. But after a massive fire that swept through the tent city killing nearly 350 pilgrims in 1997, the current permanent fire-proof city was built.'

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<p style="color:rgb(30,30,30);font-family:'open sans', sans-serif;font-size:15px;">It's worth looking at the article.

<p style="color:rgb(30,30,30);font-family:'open sans', sans-serif;font-size:15px;">Apparently this camp is presently empty, - the Haj is over.

<p style="color:rgb(30,30,30);font-family:'open sans', sans-serif;font-size:15px;">As far as I know Saudi Arabia has not taken any refugees from Syria. 

[radioholic]

My girlfriends son ended up in hospital 

head/mind started screwing up on him so he got his Dad to take him to the hospital.

He was in the mental unit for 3 days and they told him if he smokes the stuff again

he will stay like that forever

[POWERZONE]

Is that Rhonda Rousey on the right ? :o

[POWERZONE]

lol, that's a first.... he was never on my wavelength :p

[Aloysius]

Lucky him!!

[Aloysius]

Don'T FORGET TO VOTE MON AMI!!!

[POWERZONE]

[POWERZONE]

What happened? War between the sexes? Shortage of beef? :o

[POWERZONE]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TTiDlK4vS8

 

Never tried linking a live stream before :o

[POWERZONE]

GFC ll as well I reckon. This will be the biggest fail since Woodrow Wilson.