I Don't Believe It?

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Can anyone verify this?

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Sounds like BS, unless it's dark 24/7

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Hi PZ.

I don't see why he would lie?

Neither do I. But I can see how he could be mistaken.

People have been drawing power from solar panels for decades without even being connected to the grid.
 

The electronic controller would need power to drive it.
If there is no battery backup or no connection fron the panel power to the electronic controller, then if the "grid" fails as he said then so would the electronic controller.
No controller means no feed into his house or indeed out of his house by the solar panels.

Not necessarily. If the controller loses power it will revert to a default state depending on the protocol that was built into it. Just like a relay does.

For instance if there's no mains power it can simply close the circuit connecting the solar panels.

 

I believe the energy supplier would not allow energy out of the solar system into the "dead" grid. Safety concerns.

A simple relay setup would fix that problem.

No input power = open circuit prior to the controller.
 

I need to ask someone who has solar power. I guess?

I installed a small setup in my unit 26 years ago. It wasn't connected to the grid.

I built my own controller which was little more than LED's fed into a series of LDR's and two relays.

When the solar voltage dropped below the level accepted by the inverter the controller isolated that circuit and switched to the mains.

When the mains failed, and it often did, the relay would discharge and revert into its closed state which reconnected the solar panels regardless of voltage. Not something I'd recommend for TV's and HiFi gear but perfect for the lights etc. A more expensive inverter will keep the voltage stable or open the circuit if tolerances were exceeded.

No problems at all. Cost me about $2.5k off memory. Real estate agent reckoned I added another $10k when I sold it 10 years ago.

For the above reason I'm calling BS on that quoted claim because it's stated in such a way as if all roof solar setups were generic and worked the same way. They don't.

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Like I said a simple relay setup would fix the problem of feeding energy into a dead grid.

 

I don't think any setup would allow that in any case.

 

I didn't alter anything. I installed it from scratch along with my own controller  protocols.

 

No problems with insurance who were fully aware of my setup.

 

The house didn't burn down either

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Ah PZ.

So pleased the house did not burn down.
Alas the discussion is not about how you built your solar system.

The original satement made by a Herald Sun reader IS the topic.

Actually, no Peter. The topic is "I don't believe it"

You asked for a verification about the behaviour of a solar installation.
"I don't believe it", so I responded by posting how I installed my own system.
So it has everything to do with the topic.

Anyway who cares whether it's on topic or not? After all, it was you who previously advocated the freedom to think and say what you want without the paranoia of staying on topic?

Fine with me... however I reserve the right to do the same, free speech and all that

For the record, I don't think any house is capable of feeding a dead grid regardless of what's installed.

That safety requirement would have been implemented years ago. I've never heard of an accident in that field.

I've heard of plenty of accidents that have happened when the lines are still live.

In any case the workers usually short out lines leading to an area undergoing maintenance.

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Talk about bad luck :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktk-_HLFcOI

[Aloysius]

<p style="font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-family:inherit;">"TODAY show’s Karl Stefanovic strongly supported a Melbourne council’s move to become the first in the nation to stop holding citizenship ceremonies on Australia Day out of respect for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.


<p style="font-family:LiberationSerifRegular, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;font-size:19px;color:rgb(41,41,41);">Yarra City councillors voted on Tuesday night to stop referring to January 26 as Australia Day and to cease holding any citizenship ceremonies on that day from 2018."

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<p style="font-family:LiberationSerifRegular, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;font-size:19px;color:rgb(41,41,41);">Proud Australians all of them!!!

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Bloody commercial media. Shut 'em down I say!

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Not if they violate the law.

Just because you say they have the last say doesn't mean they can do whatever they want.

Remember the time when the telegraph posted fake nude pics of Pauline Hanson?

It's an abrogation of duty.

Nothing to do with the ABC.

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Maybe YOU don't but the LAW does.

Broadcasting code 3.4

Impartiality 3.4.1
In broadcasting a news Program, a Licensee must:
a)present news fairly and impartially;
b)clearly distinguish the reporting of factual material from commentary and analysis.

So yeah, I expect all media to be unbiased.

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Peter you might find this more interesting

 

 Sonic attacks in Cuba.

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-16/cu...es/8812578



A mysterious illness has struck down some American and Canadian diplomats in the Cuban capital Havana, with the symptoms including nausea, migraines, concussion-like brain injuries and long-term deafness.


While the details are sparse, reports suggest the diplomats may have fallen victim to some sort of "sonic attack", with the finger pointed squarely at the Cuban Government.


One of the working theories at the moment is that the mysterious illness is somehow connected to infrasound — sound so low it is inaudible to humans.


This incident comes early in the diplomatic relationship between the US and Cuba, which began only two years ago when former president Barack Obama announced the US would be building connections with Cuba following a five-decade boycott.


While relations with Cuba have worsened since Donald Trump was inaugurated, there have been no overt displays of hostility between the two countries up until the discovery that some American diplomats have been suffering an unexplained illness.

Finger pointed at Cuban Government


Steve Dorsey from CBS Radio in Washington DC has been investigating this mystery, and he says the story is so unusual he found it difficult to believe.


"There was so much that harkened back to the days of the cold war that it was hard to believe at first," Dorsey told Radio National.



Steve Dorsey's source said as many as eight or nine American diplomats have had to curtail their assignments in Havana, potentially due to "acoustic devices" causing everything from migraines to sleeplessness to hearing loss.


At least one Canadian also reported symptoms.


The State Department admitted the first reports were from late 2016, but escalated in June 2017.


The Department has been reluctant to confirm the details Steve Dorsey reported, but did confirm the US was working with the Cuban Government to investigate.


"There's a lot of theories about exactly what this is. Could it have been surveillance gone wrong, or deliberate harassment?" Dorsey said.


"It's thought that these devices could have been hidden inside or outside the homes of diplomats, which were provided by the Cuban Government. It's unclear whether it's microwave technology, or some sort of sound device."

Incident shrouded in Mystery


Dorsey's source said at least one of the victims has been deaf for 10 months, and there are concerns it may be permanent.


Philippe Doneux is managing director of Acoustica, a Sydney company with 30 years' experience making commercial and residential soundproofing.


"Yes, you can affect health. Like those new loudspeakers that are being used by some police forces," Mr Doneux told Radio National.


Those giant loudspeakers, or "sound cannon", used by police in riot-control operations, were adopted by Australian police last year, and while their extremely loud volume can damage hearing and make you unwell, they're not subtle, and they make a noise like a fire alarm.


Experts say it would be impossible to use an advanced sound cannon surreptitiously to attack someone.


"If you've got very powerful sound waves, you vibrate all the atoms and molecules in your body, but you need a lot of power behind that to have that effect," Mr Doneux said.


"You will have experienced this sensation at a concert or dance club, but you need powerful speaker drivers, and the diplomats would have noticed it immediately."

Is it possible troops are being 'secretly microwaved'?


The other option mentioned by Dorsey is microwaves experts say if you were secretly being microwaved, deafness would be the least of your worries, as it would be cooking all of the water in your body from the inside out.


While Philippe Doneux said surreptitiously attacking someone with high-powered sound would be unlikely, another expert from one of Australia's leading universities said it would be possible, particularly considering the housing in Havana was provided by the Cuban Government.


He suggested if the Cuban Government built the homes with speakers built into the walls, they could potentially provide a low-frequency dose of sound over a long period of time that might go unnoticed.


Having said that, he said had never heard of anything like that being done before, and that it was pure speculation, hence why he didn't want to attach his name to the quote.


So far, it appears not to have had an effect on the Australian diplomats in Havana.


"I did reach out to the Australians to see if they're affected by this at all, and there's no indication that they are," Dorsey said.

[Aloysius]

Maybe YOU don't but the LAW does.


Broadcasting code 3.4


So yeah, I expect all media to be unbiased.

 

 

 

You must be pretty disappointed, just like me , in that case, particularly with the state owned folks.

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Like I said in that post, I expect all media to be unbiased.

[Aloysius]

And therefore disappointed!

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Aloy is already disappointed. So am I.

 

I don't like being fed BS by the media.

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Sure thing Peter.

 

But in my view when it comes to media, most bias... whether left or right... is an attempt to rewrite political history.

 

When someone writes "ALP isn't there for workers" you know it's biased. And BS as well.

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So for one example I could use penalty rates.

 

The right wing media continually complain about workers earning a shift allowance for working on weekends.

 

Then they spice it up by claiming their removal would lower unemployment and they make out that it's a fact.

 

But it's not a fact. It's FUD. It didn't happen last time.

 

I'll give you a perfect example. No need to read the whole thing, I'm just putting it there to back up my claim.

 

 

Opposition leader Bill Shorten can see that shift allowances and penalty rates are an election winner but the timing of his push makes it incredibly dangerous.


In my reading while overseas I saw clearly that the decades long talk about robots is being replaced with action ---the world is in the brink of an incredible rise in the use of robots in the labour intensive areas of food preparation, warehousing and retailing. Robots will focus in the areas where labour is expensive.

Some 300,000 Australia are currently employed on penalty rates that are substantially below the award thanks to employer/ union deals. Fair Work Australia is aiming to cement in the discounts via lower official penalty rates but Bill Shorten wants to end the discounts so sending the penalty rate cost burden through the roof. The higher costs will bring the robotic revolution to Australia with great speed. .

I would like to share with you reports I have picked up around the world which show just where robotics is moving.

MIT Sloan’s Andrew McAfee and Erik Brynjolfsson say the standard view is that robots are best suited for work that is dull, dirty, and dangerous. They now add one more “D” — work that is “dear,” or expensive. It’s a chilling conclusion for high cost Australian employees.

Lets start with food preparation. McAfee and Brynjolfsson say that the most advanced robot cook they have seen is the hamburger maker developed by start up Momentum Machines.

It takes in raw meat, buns, condiments, sauces, and seasonings, and converts these into finished, bagged burgers at rates as high as 400 per hour. The machine does much of its own food preparation, and to preserve freshness it does not start grinding, mixing, and cooking until each order is placed. It also allows diners to greatly customise their burgers, specifying not only how they’d like them cooked, but also the mix of meats in the patty. It works.

Traditionally avocados, tomatoes, eggplants, which are irregularly shaped and not rigid, are difficult for robots because robots’ senses of vision and touch have historically been quite primitive — far inferior to humans. But they are catching up fast.

From food preparation we move to retail.

The FT reports that just as China’s rising labour costs — now higher than Latin America — pushed manufacturers to add robots to their production lines, so in retail China is becoming more automated.

For example shelves of a Bingo Box outlet in Shanghai are lined with instant noodles, beer, and bags of traditional snacks but there is no staff. The FT says that the Chinese retailer has taken pole position in a race to build unmanned shops, with more than a dozen in operation and hundreds more planned. The BingoBox store entrance is unlocked by the use of mobile phone app. Customers scan items for payment, with theft prevented by the use of real-name registration and video monitoring. Chinese eCommerce giant Alibaba has trialled a convenience store that does away with check-outs — purchases are automatically made when a customer leaves with an item. Wahaha, one of China’s largest beverage companies, last month signed an agreement with a technology company to buy 100,000 checkout systems for staff-less stores.

From retail to warehousing and the Wall Street Journal’s Brian Baskin says that robot developers are close to a breakthrough — getting a machine to pick up a toy and put it in a box.

It is a simple task for a child, but for warehouses it has been a big hurdle to automating one of the most labour-intensive aspects of e-commerce: grabbing items off shelves and packing them for shipping.

Baskin says several companies, including Saks Fifth Avenue owner Hudson’s Bay Co and Chinese online-retail giant JD. Com Inc has recently begun testing robotic “pickers” in their distribution centres. Some robotics companies say their machines can move gadgets, toys and consumer products 50% faster than human workers.

Baskin says retailers and logistics companies are counting on the new advances to help them keep pace with explosive growth in online sales and pressure to ship faster.

U.S. e-commerce revenues hit $390 billion last year, nearly twice as much as in 2011 and they are rising even faster in China, India and other developing countries.

That is propelling a global hiring spree to find people to process those orders.

U.S. warehouses added 262,000 jobs over the past five years, with nearly 950,000 people now working in the sector. Labor shortages are becoming more common, particularly during the holiday rush, and wages are climbing.

That’s exactly what is ahead for Australia but robots look like “coming to the rescue” — but in the process employment will change.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business...1502961057

 

Now... that is a load of shi
t. Biased and BS for several reasons...

• Because penalty rates have so far only gone down 5% - so putting them back won't drive costs "through the roof"
  
• Because Bill Shorten has no intention of altering so called "discounted" agreements as claimed.
  
• Because penalty rates in warehousing (which is the crux of this article) have not gone down at all. So how can the ALP restore rates that weren't cut in the first place?
  

So this is a very poorly researched article because it obfuscates penalty rates with automation in warehousing. There's no connection. And it's this sort of factually incorrect, biased garbage that pollutes the Australian newspaper in just about any day of the week.

 

Just like the above, most of their IR articles are intellectually flawed and historically inaccurate.

 

Radio commentators like Alan Jones are equally false with claims like the above.

 

I remember that time when he said Julia Gillard's father "had died of shame".

 

Not to mention his using 2GB as an impetus for the Cronulla riots...

 

Fark me... it's indefensible and not the sort of thing I see in ABC articles. Sure, they are political, and opinionated, but not outright lies like we see in Murdoch Media.

 

They should be fined every time they do it.

[Aloysius]

Sure thing Peter.

 

But in my view when it comes to media, most bias... whether left or right... is an attempt to rewrite political history.

 

When someone writes "ALP isn't there for workers" you know it's biased. And BS as well.

 

 

 

Too true PZ!!

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/...83268821a8

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee

 

 

These two links compare modern day media BS with actual historical fact in a non controversial subject for an Aussie.

 

Note that the modern day Washington post rewrites history to support modern day popular political thought.

 

It's a disgrace - but worse - in rewriting history we are condemned to probably repeating it!

[Aloysius]

Heh Heh Rule Brittainia - that's the spirit that built an empire!!!!

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Hi Peter

 

Now why do I get the feeling these fat cats had links with Enron?

 

Why? Why?
Why?
Why?
Why?

[Aloysius]

Sure thing Peter.

 

But in my view when it comes to media, most bias... whether left or right... is an attempt to rewrite political history.

 

When someone writes "ALP isn't there for workers" you know it's biased. And BS as well.

 

 

Heh Heh Proicless!

 

ALP is there for the party  and that is partly Union based.

 

Just ask thw AWU workers just how much the ALP supports them!

 

On the other hand the criminal CFMEU seem somewhat more supported.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm