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Why are you telling me all this ? Or who are these people you speak of ? Double standards much ? LOL

 

Unkind? Did you read the post I was responding to? The one where two "yanks" should be "lambasted" for their point of view ?
 

I've already stated M Court is entitled to her view. Why aren't people who disagree entitled to theirs ?


Non acceptance of democratically elected leaders?

Last time I checked it was the right who took down 3 leaders in 2 terms! Triple J gate!

 

 

 

Agreed! The right have demonstrated this ad nauseam. If they didn't this conversation wouldn't have started.

 

​Remember the pie guy ?

Quote:Tony Abbott was the worst PM

Quote:That would be OK if that's what they were doing - but it wasn't was it - I mean - at all!!!

 

 

They were not saying "we think Gay is great" or however they may want to articulate their  view - but no, that was not their intent at all, they wanted to denigrate a fine ex tennis player by taking her name off a memorial to her acheivements.

 

I cannot call that expressing a view, I call it for what it really is - a desire to inflict pain.

 

I have not heard that M Court made any personal attacks on Navratilova or that opinionated bad boy MacInroe.

 

Excellent example of what I was trying to point out to you really.

 

I imagine that if you can see it that way you will probably agree with me?

Quote:Worst ex PM honours must be shared equally by Rudd and Turnbull - in recent times that is.


Best ex PM honours go to Gillard and Abbott for understanding that when it's over - it's over - and for demonstrating class in refraining from criticism of their successors no matter how poorly they were treated by them .

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 Well then let me refresh your memory about what M Court said about Martina Navratilova prior to this.

 
"Martina Navratilova (“a great player but I’d like someone at the top who the younger players can look up to. It’s very sad for children to be exposed to homosexuality."

 

Now that to me is equally a desire to inflict pain as well - so Martina Navratilova's desire wasn't to inflict pain - it was to deflect it back to where it came from. After all, it's not as if Court had said "I think Straight is great" is it mate ?... If she did, this debate wouldn't exist.

 

So, no I can't agree with you on this at all. Because unlike others I'm seeing both sides of this debate.

 

There is no point in advocating for free speech unless it really is free speech - and yes... it gets nasty but that's the price you pay for what you want. Free speech will only work if treated with respect - not abused for political mileage. If Margaret Court wants to play that game, that's fine with me, as long as it doesn't stop her opponents from handing it back. 15 all.

 

Nothing's free in life, not even free things like speech

 


Well there you go - I take the view all four should have the freedom to say what they like

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Don't go claiming the balanced high ground PZ you just don't get it at all - M.Court can voice an opinion about actions made by others - It's a whole nuther thing to demand demolition of a persons standing by removing their name from memory. That is what Martina and MacInroe - foreign visitors to our country - were attempting to do and Tennis Australia made that judgement - are they all one eyed too?

 

And just to set it straight: free speech is free speech - pretty obvious really - even though a price must be paid to maintain it - the most obvious price currently levied is the opprobrium of PC warriors without a mind of their own.

 

 

You know the folks I mean - lazy thinking folks who derive their fast changing values from left leaning opinion makers.

 

 

Prime example Pommie Rugby League clubs attacking the rights of Folau to employment - I mean - don't tell me you think these PC blighted folks really care - at all?

Quote:I for one don't want to be bombarded by all the "equality at any costs".

See it everywhere, no adds unless there's a black guy, preferably two.

Gotta have a swag of asians as well.

Cannot have a middle aged white guy unless he is the family dolt.

And as Mrs. M. Court says "It's sad to see homosexuality plastered everywhere as if it is the norm!"

The Irish prikc who runs Qantas offends me with his moralising lectures, he can fukc off as well.

That's an opinion of course, stiff shti if you/anyone is offended.

Quote:No Aloy - your post amounts to nothing more than blatant cherry picking and bashing your political opponents.

 

What makes it hilarious is you are actually taking the left wing PC approach to defend M.Court but then you claim she can say whatever she likes and any comeback should be condemned.

 

I don't seem to remember you condemning the pie guy for shoving that pie in Alan Joyce's face either.

 

Even more hilarious is you guys going on about "foreign visitors to our country"

 

Well guess what Aloy? They arrived from a country where you can say, do and shoot anything you want.

 

They don't have to climb the 28C Trump Wall anti defamation act that your lot on the right tried to take down.

 

That law was put there to protect people like M.Court

 

You know what they say... "be careful what you wish for"

 

Btw... have any charges been laid ? Nup didn't think so

 

So my balanced view stands - if someone is stupid enough to attack someone else because of their sexuality or race or colour only to then end up eating a di
ck as a result they get no sympathy from me.

 

And that goes for M. Court, the Pie Guy, the footballer, the Jordan Druggo - whoever.

 

We all have the same rights - it's the tolerance that differs. Yours obviously went up in smoke.

Quote:Good gracious PZ you seem to be taking all this chat personally and replying in a somewhat angry tone.

Claims of a balanced view on your part are somewhat damaged by the rest of your post - ie:

"If someone is stupid enough to attack someone else's sexuality etc" you find it unacceptable.


But it's perfectly acceptable to attack anothers religious views as those maligning M Court do and in fact you do "God botherers" you say hmmmmm time to stop digging one suggests and time to re-examine claims of unbiased views.

Quote:I like the term "God botherer".

Who or what is a God botherer?

I can't see how someone who believes in the God can bother Him.

Quote:Actually, I think this page sums up the double standards from the right perfectly, Aloy...

 

I get pulled up for appearing to be angry (which I'm not) but then the poster who says "the Irish prikc who runs Qantas"  | "can fukc off" and "stiff shti if you/anyone is offended" is immune from your criticism

 

Go figure