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I saw the Titanic exhibition in Florida and while it was good it was very very touristy, almost a bit like a Disney attraction.
This exhibition in Melbourne is excellent.
I am an amateur Titanic historian, which means I read like an addict anything about the great ship. The mystery and stories artound it fascinate me and you can bet they will be making movies about it for years to come.
So if you are into all things Titanic, this exhibition will please you.
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Thanks for letting us know about it. Here is a link:
http://www.titanicmelbourne.com/
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Hello PeterS.
Is it true that the workers painted a sign on the side of the ship that said in effect:
"Even God cannot sink this ship."
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I have heard that one but the trouble is with this great story there are so many myths and distortions. Of course it is factual that there were many clairvoyants predicting it would sink. I am not a believer in such things of course but its all part of an incredible story. I will look into for you Peter as I love doing the research any way. Thank you so much for your interest in the ship.
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Thank you so much for your interest Peter. I get very carried away with this.
The Titanic is actually breaking up and she wont be around much longer. There are ethical issues about what to salvage and I will leave that to others. I say get as much as you can.
Yes there were clairvoyants who did claim she was going to sink. There is a story of a woman with a placard warning passengers.
Yes there are limited trips to visit the wreck but I cant at the moment find the details. I did discover it was very very much out of my league financially..
http://www.titanic-titanic.com/forum/search.php.
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I wonder whether anyone actully listened to the clairvoyants and decided not to travel <img src='http://www.melbournechat.org/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='  ' />
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I wonder whether anyone actully listened to the clairvoyants and decided not to travel <img src='http://www.melbournechat.org/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />
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There is always the obligatory disaster movie survivor that avoids disaster by sheer happenstance (oh no, my alarm clock didn't wake me and i've missed my plane. Plane crashes.), glen. Well, according to the movies.
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[quote name='PeterJMelb' timestamp='1281672190' post='28930']
Hi Iblis.
[size="4"][color="#8b0000"]Happenstance![/color][/size]
Wow! In my whole life I have never used that word.
Probably I have only seen it written about four or five times!
You made my day!
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I got a similar response offline when i randomly used the word "happenstance" in conversation, Peter. I had no idea the word was so unusual.
...and now back to the Titanic.
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The James Cameron version was one of those movies you either loved or hated. I confess I loved it. It was actually the most accurate. A Night To Remember was a great movie though as was Titanic with Clifton Webb but both these films show the great ship gracefully sinking but the recent version shows the break of the ship and the confusion.
The interiors of the ship in the Leonardo version were stunning and accurate.
Of course all versions fail to capture the madness of the last hour. They feel they need a love story... thats ok.
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Yeah, like as if they quartet kept on playing.
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Well it seems Iblis they did.. I know they did not go down to ocean playing but these remarkably courageous men did play for a long time. There were too many eye witness accounts of this to ignore. I agree though it does sound fantastic! Do see the exhibition if you are a Titanic buff its wonderful.
You can even buy a piece of Titanic coal!!
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Oh wow, seriously? ...i just figured that was just added movie magic, remarkable really to learn otherwise.
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How wonderful to find a few people interested thank you Peter and Iblis. My friends tell me I talk about it too much. I am strictly an amateur although I have had a couple of radio interviews !!!
Funny how word gets around.
The band played on!
http://www.titanic-titanic.com/titanic_band.shtml
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16-08-2010, 02:22 PM
(This post was last modified: 16-08-2010, 02:27 PM by iblis.raeb.)
Have you ever considering entering the Einstein Factor with The Titanic as your specialty subject, Peter S.?
I got chills reading the following, the ye'olde pictures alongside the article probably helped:
Quote:What went through their minds as they played together on that night can only be guessed. As the slant of the decks increased more and more, did they even consider that this was their last hour alive, or did one or two of them hold out a slight hope that eventually, one of the officers would amble over, and instruct them into a lifeboat? Whatever their thoughts were, we will never know. All eight bandsmen were lost.
What the band played as Titanic slowly began to sink is never disputed - ragtime, waltzes, specific tunes noted by survivors included 'Alexander's Ragtime Band' and 'In The Shadows'. But a question mark still hangs over what the last song was as Titanic's stern began to rise clear of the Atlantic Ocean, and indeed, would it be physically possible for them to play anything in those conditions? The sensible money is of course on 'Nearer, My God, To Thee' - no sooner hadCarpathia docked in New York, than the papers were reporting Wallace Hartley and the others in the band playing it to the end, although it must be pointed out that these same newspapers had reported that Titanic was under tow and heading for Halifax! But many other reliable witnesses remember 'Song d'Automne'. We will never really know of course, but as none of the band survived, then the only truly reliable witnesses were tragically lost at 2.20am, 15th April 1912. But that, in my mind, is trivial. The fact that they DID play, in those terrible circumstances, and faced with almost certain death, is enough.
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No the old grey cells are not what they were Iblis besides the areas of knowledge I have are limited. lol.
Peter I believe the band were violin, accordian II think) they played on the deck.
Youve got me... the plaque?
Now you have got me checking my books.
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OF course the mistake as soon as I checked it its the 15th!
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17-08-2010, 11:55 AM
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He certainly did and the disaster was the first time that morscode had been actually used in a crisis. The thing about the Titanic is that there were so many firsts!
It was the first time they ever had a swimming pool on a ship.
Others will come to mind.
My grey cells are not as good these days. AS far as I know all the operators were lost although I have a feeling one survived. Mmmm another thing to revise.
You know you never stop learning about this.
One thing I feel strongly is that Bruce Ismay has been unfairly treated by history.
Who do we blame? Mmmm. The more I think and read I believe the responsibility is Captain Smith. But also there was a smugness in the way NO ONe believed the ship would EVER sink.
Still Andrews who designed the ship frequently reminded people.. the hip is made of steel... she can sink.
Its interesting that although some say "oh not another Titanic thing, I am over it"
That will NEVER happen. As the years go by the plot actually thickens.
Technology and research has recently suggested that the rivets popped and it was not a neat gash in the hull.
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Bruce Ismay is treated by all films as a villain. Yes its true he wanted to reach New York in record time but it was Smith who would have known the dangers.
Ismay is criticised for saving himself. There was confusion over Smiths orders.
He said Women and children first. This was standard.
Either Smith got confused or he was misinterpreted but the order went out ONLY WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
Ismay was on deck as the boat was lowered .. all a few boats were lowered with ridiculously low numbers aboard. What good would it have done for Ismay to just let the boat lower with room on board. He also wanted to give a full report. Much of what we know is due to testimony of Ismay.
I have always felt sorry for Ismay.
He was persecuted his whole life and lived in total misery.
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Who do we blame? Mmmm. The more I think and read I believe the responsibility is Captain Smith. But also there was a smugness in the way NO ONe believed the ship would EVER sink.
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If there is anything that i've learned throughout my life it's that the universe is always up for a challenge; throw an unsinkable ship in its face and it'll sink it.
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Smith was something of a celebrity. Indeed wealthy passengers often only sailed if he was in command. It appears he loved his status and spent a great deal of his time with the wealthy classes. Titanic is an amazing study of Edwardian England and this is very very well seen in the movie. Most of the money however was made from steerage (third class). There were more of them.
Although third class was basic it was probably luxury compared to their own lives. The menu of steerage is actually quite impressive.
Of course they did not get the eight courses served at dinner to third class!
THe technology behind Titanic was unprecedented so the cocky confidence is easy to understand.
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