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Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - Aloysius - 16-11-2015 All the heart rending sympathy for the horror in Paris does not make up for the almost total lack of political leadership in the west - you know the cradle of democracy?  We would not be where we are if the pathetic jelly backed Obama " let's get out of Iraq whether we have finished the job or not " had never happened.  The result may well be Trump in the Whitehouse and Le Pen in the top job in France - Oh dear. Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - POWERZONE - 16-11-2015 Quote:All the heart rending sympathy for the horror in Paris does not make up for the almost total lack of political leadership in the west - you know the cradle of democracy?Oh dear indeed.  Finish what job? Finding WMD's? That's right there aren't any...  So I agree, we would not be where we are had the west not taken down the Iraqi Govt, instilled an unstable makeshift replacement, and liberated ISIS in the first place. If we had decent leadership here at the time we would've told GWB and the US to stick their agressive behaviour up their own Khyber pass and look after our own backyard. Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - Aloysius - 17-11-2015 That's not what happened here a job was half done and feeble political will declined to complete it. It would be a mistake to imagine that the WMD issue was anything more than a publicity tool.  I agree that the intent of the mongrels is to incite outrage but their intent should not govern any response.  It's axiomatic that if you want to communicate you must employ language that the other guy understands.  What language do you think these people understand? The language they speak perchance? Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - POWERZONE - 17-11-2015 There is no language. It's a faceless enemy. That's why people don't understand it.  The reason the job wasn't done is because it was the wrong job.  If it wasn't because of WMD's it can only be down to either conquest or oil.  Political will has very little to do with it. Lack of funding is the real issue.  The US has had at least two Govt shutdowns of late because there's no more money.  US Fed Debt... Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - Aloysius - 17-11-2015 Quote:you might want to read what Waleed has to say about it Aloy  http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/17/the-project-waleed-aly-hits-out-isis-paris-attacks-viral-video  <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egyptian Web', Georgia, serif;font-size:medium;">âIsil donât want you to know they would quickly be crushed if they ever faced a proper army on a real battlefield. They want you to fear them. <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egyptian Web', Georgia, serif;font-size:medium;">âIsilâs strategy is to split the world into two camps, itâs that black and white.â <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egyptian Web', Georgia, serif;font-size:medium;"> <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egyptian Web', Georgia, serif;font-size:medium;"> <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egyptian Web', Georgia, serif;font-size:medium;">Waleed has it right inde ed! <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egyptian Web', Georgia, serif;font-size:medium;">And what we get from so called "leaders" in the west is "No boots on the ground" <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egyptian Web', Georgia, serif;font-size:medium;"> <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egyptian Web', Georgia, serif;font-size:medium;">well they can't both be right can they? Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - Aloysius - 18-11-2015 Never mind the rabbit decoy, the fact is that Mr Ali said what he said this group is actually weak and would easily be defeated by a real army  Quote:i think you dont realise they are both saying the same thing  What I do realise is that pussy footing around people who are not reasonable, who do not want to get on with people that are not as twisted as they are, is an absolute recipe for more of the same.  I'm not talking about easily manipulated children, I'm talking about the core, the manipulators that hate the freedom that the western democracies embrace and share.  These folks are the folks that demolish world heritage sites - says a lot about their concept of love doesn't it? These are the folks that slaughter innocents because they are what they are, not because of anything they have done. I make the point that fellow muslims are the ones most damaged by these grubs.  If anyone believes that they will not take advantage of good will from the west they just don't read the news. Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - Aloysius - 18-11-2015 Heh Heh I guess pussie footing is an unacceptable word Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - POWERZONE - 18-11-2015 Sounds kinky to me :o Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - Aloysius - 20-11-2015 Yes there is no victory here for the savages - They probably fail to understand his concept of freedom. Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - POWERZONE - 25-11-2015 That.... will get messy :o  Stand by for the shirt front... Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - Aloysius - 25-11-2015 Quote:heres some leadership being shown by the shirt pullee  I bet those folks they drop their bombs on can't read Russian!!!  Particularly at the speed they would be travelling at. Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - Aloysius - 25-11-2015 Quote: "The <b>shootdown of a Russian Sukhoi Su-24M</b><sup>[2]</sup> bomber aircraft by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter jets occurred near the SyriaâTurkey border on 24 November 2015.<sup>[3]</sup> The pilot and weapon systems officer both ejected; one of them was killed by Turkmen rebels. According to Turkey, the aircraft was shot down in Turkish airspace, which it violated up to a depth of 1.36 miles (2.19 km) for about 17 seconds, after being warned to change its heading 10 times.<sup>[4]</sup><sup>[5]</sup> Russia denied the aircraft ever left Syrian airspace and this is backed up by Russian Satellite evidence from the MoD of the Russian Federation, the plane was about 1,000 metres in Syrian airpspace when it was shot.<sup>[6]"</sup>  <sup>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shootdown</sup>   I guess if I were a Turkman rebel in Syria being bombed and attacked by a Russian plane I may very well consider the crew to be legitimate targets. Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - Aloysius - 26-11-2015 Well here we are - it's ok to bomb - but it's not ok to shoot bombers?   Why not say it's not ok to bomb and kill multiple people as opposed to one person?  Emotion is a bit misleading here, the russian is a long way from home killing folks, the Turkman is at home being bombed - can't see why one get's sympathy and the other condemnation.   Any circumstances????? Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - Aloysius - 29-11-2015 Quote:not while they are defenceless in a parachute and free-falling, no, its not ok   Can't see the issue - at all!  One second said aircrew is a combatant able to drop bombs or fire rockets. Their plane is hit and they bale out for their own benefit - not to surrender. Now the very people who were legitimately attempting to stop the plane are deemed grubs for shooting the escaping combatants.  What would be the difference if the hit on the aircraft killed the pilot but the navigator/bomber was shot attempting to escape?   Sorry Mel - I know your argument comes from a good heart, but emotion cannot guide us here. Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - Aloysius - 29-11-2015 Quote:friendly one minute, stabbed in the back the next ?  They have sovereign right to do it.  Who give Russians rights to fly where ever they like?  There is no coalition involving the russians, they have taken unilateral action (zero consultation with US UK NATO,Turkey) to prop up their boy Assad.  Gotta stick to the facts here. Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - Aloysius - 30-11-2015 Murder Schmerder- Just exactly what was the Russian attempting to do in Syria?  Was he bringing love gifts, food and medical supplies perchance?  All I'm getting out of this spate of anti Turkish cant is that - apparently - Russians are OK and Turks are not.  Claims of Turkish violation of Greek airspace are tendered to legitimise Russian incursions into Turkey - hello - how does that work?  Why would anyone believe anything that the Putin terrorists claim - they unilaterally attack all and sundry in Syria - to back a mass murdering despot. - FACT   Each time one questions these anti Turkish comments a new wave of irrelevant claims and emotional claptrap is provided - "stinks of hypocrisy" alright.   Facts are still the best idea mate! Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - Aloysius - 30-11-2015 Sorry Mello, but your "guesses" are not facts to me! Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - Aloysius - 01-12-2015 And they are entitled to that opinion. Similarly I am entitled to mine! Odd that parachuting soldiers are fair game, but aircrew are deemed to be something a little more sacred. It seems like some outdated thinking to me. Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - Aloysius - 02-12-2015 There you go - I can agree with that!!  Historical and hysterical hatreds, unfettered religious power, all conspire to destabilise a whole region, it cannot all be blamed on the West! Aaaaaah Leadership Where Is It When You Need It? - Aloysius - 02-12-2015 Quote:some go democracy go hard wouldnt go ashtray right now lol   Christmas spirit!!!!! |